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Monday, June 25. 2007Day 398 - June 25th - The Battle for Right and WrongTrackbacks
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Love the existencial mind-bend. Here's a slightly different perspective for you: science doesn't prove religion wrong - it simply proves that the way people THINK about religion is wrong... Happy trails.
Dave, You have never met me, like many of the readers of this blog and various stories about you throughout the roadie kingdom. It is rare to find a roadie philosopher among the stereotyped world we live in. How refreshing.
Your pondering made me ponder a bit, and in the land of free thought and speech, I beg your indulgence.
You seek the holy grail of absolute truth. Yet your pondering led you to the fact that truth is situational and relevant only to those who ponder it. A couple of questions follow:
1. Why have law?
2. If there are no absolutes, as in the case of law, are you absolutely sure there arent or shouldnt be?
3. Creation must be absolute, and to say not would mean a confusion of existence?
4. If truth is the presence of things proven, what has been tried and not proven? There in lies absolute?
I believe something very controversial in terms of absolutes and I think there is a source of truth that is above refute. Many have tried and none have succeeded.
If I have sparked your curiosity, I would to ponder more. kevinpoole@yahoo.com
Hmmmm, well,
1) "Law" as a general term seems infer adding bit of structure, like a plan or direction or containment of sorts. Some plans are better than others and laws take many forms, so to answer with any meaning a common point of reference would have to be established. Created laws? Observed laws?
2) My personal experience is that nothing is absolute. Not the laws we create to govern nor the laws of nature. Tendencies and probabilities exists. Some are tilted extremely in one direction or another but I have yet to encounter or read or observe a single thing that leaves no question unanswered when analyzed enough.
3) Creation is no more absolute to me than the definition between hot and cold or life and non-living or the concepts of forever and never. I have yet to experience "must be" where as many many "probably's," "possibly's" and "doubtfully's" seem to fill the world around me. In my opinion, to try and establish a "must be" is to attempt to establish a "this is right, period." point of view, which, when implemented would naturally, propogate and divide the world into those that are right that believe it and those that are wrong that disagree. I believe it is the creation of these false "musts" that divides the world's minds and opens the door for endless friction.
4) The first part of the question does not fit in my perception. To me, a truth is an opinion that a group of humans have decided to call a truth. Perhaps the closest I can think of at the moment is that lies can be created where as truths can not. Lies can be proven where as truths can not. And I from what I have so far seen in my life, anyone who truly claims to know the absolute truth is most definitley lying.
As far as a source of truth above refute, fair enough, valid and common belief, and perhaps correct for a segment of society but that does not make it correct for all. And if we were to take a world vote on what is right or wrong, would majority rule? Who amongst all the various groups of humans that each believe they know "The Way," truly have a leg to stand on? Would the biggest gun rule? Or the craftiest absorbing new members?
It is illogical to me to think that with multitudes of groups of humans each gathering and deciding their truths that each group could somehow overlook the fact that the other groups that have chosen to do their own version of the exact same thing, are any less valid in thier choices.
Hope you enjoyed Belgrade as much as I did... Did you enjoy Jelen beer? :-) Can't wait for the next post! Cheers!
Dave,
If you haven't seen it yet, and have some time to do some reading, check out "God's Debris" by Scott Adams, of Dilbert fame. It is available as a free PDF download at:
http://www.andrewsmcmeel.com/godsdebris/
Let me know what you think of it, hopefully we'll meet sometime between now and later and be able to discuss over a pint or two.
Mike
YOU`RE FORGETTING THE UNIVERSAL TRUTH THAT: OOOOOOOOOOOOOO - LOVE HURTS-.
Hey Dave,
Put a picture up of your sunglasses up in your next post and I'll see what I can do about sending them over to Rat-land, USA.
You have a "your" used instead of "you're" somewhere, thought I'd tell you...even though I wrote "sing" instead of "sign" in the comment on your previous entry.
The beautiful park is called Kalemegdan. I go there almost everyday and I write and take photos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalemegdan
The money in your hands is actually worth about 100 bucks, believe it or not. But if you had a chance to find money bills from 14 years ago, you could've sold them to collectors for big money. There's a bill of 500 000 000 000 dinars from the years of crisis.
NEXT juices actually *are* 100% fruit and they rule. If you have not tried the pineapple/passion fruit/tropical mix one, you'll have to try it next time (because there WILL be next time, even if I'd have to drag you all guys over in a caveman manner!). Restrictions which probably exist when wanting to send a bottle of juice couldn't help, sorry.
The funny shoes are called opanci. Yes, they're a native thing and perhaps, perhaps, some people in faraway villages on mountains still wear them. Otherwise, they're used in old movies, series, folk dance etc.
The writing above the shoes reads:
Stand-alone workshop for making opanci
"Kiri"
Mijomir Aleksić, manager
Beograd, King Milan street, ___ (number is not visible)
The public fountain is called Delijska Česma. It was made when the whole Knez Mihailova street was reconstructed in 1987...AND IT WAS MY DAD'S IDEA TO MAKE IT! You can't believe how proud I am that a foreigner like you noticed it and took the photo. Dad was the brain behind reconstructing the pipes under the surface of the street back then and he had an idea of making a nice public fountain in the middle of the street...then they found an artist to carry the job on. Sometimes some funny people put water lillies there...don't know if that was the case on 25th June, as Fiona and I did not see them and then we had to leave for Inđija with our little gang.
But a b flat is universally a b flat, right? I seem to recall one of your employers telling us that's the truth in Melbourne...
Well, that would be a matter of perspective and other perspectives appear to exist, like with everything, unless I am wrong, which of course I am on some levels, naturally and always.
I founf this interesting:
"A=440 has never been the international standard pitch, and the first international conference to impose A=440, which failed, was organized by Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels in 1939."
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/music/rev_tuning_hist.html
Also, the concept that nothing can ever be exactly tuned exists.
Was it "b-flat is the saddest note in the universe" he said?
Sorry Dave, the sound was probably off and I couldn't hear him clearly. I'M JOKING, it was awesome of course!! Always happy to learn something, thanks for the correction...
One thing is true... Shit Neck the Incompetent will be gone in a year.
hi dave, well... nice blog i always take a look of it cause im a big fan of the rhcp, u re doing a good work man, keep like that and with your blog update, see u
take care
frusciante33
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